Shraddha
The beginning of one’s sadhana  is endorsed by Chhandogya Up with the declaration -
 
         - Here in this city of Brahman is an abode, a small lotus flower within which is a small  space. What is within that space is what one should seek, for that is what one  should desire to understand. Yajnavalkya identifies the Self as he who breathes in when one breathes in, breathes out,  breathes breathes  about, breathes up,
 - Here in this city of Brahman is an abode, a small lotus flower within which is a small  space. What is within that space is what one should seek, for that is what one  should desire to understand. Yajnavalkya identifies the Self as he who breathes in when one breathes in, breathes out,  breathes breathes  about, breathes up,
 
        
      
and further says that he is the Person,wise enlightened in consciousness,luminous in the heart,
          
who  is to be known even when one is here in this life –
 
         
      
Even  though Krishna has commended that one  should seek enlightenment through one’s own intense austerity and perfected  penance –  Katha  Up. qualifies saying that the supreme Self is not within the filed of  vision no one being able to see him with (gross physical) eye and only by  heart, intellect and the mind can he be apprehended -
 Katha  Up. qualifies saying that the supreme Self is not within the filed of  vision no one being able to see him with (gross physical) eye and only by  heart, intellect and the mind can he be apprehended -
 
         Shankara clarifies
 Shankara clarifies  the eye stands for the  sense organs –
 the eye stands for the  sense organs – .  When Upanishad says the supreme Self is to be apprehended
.  When Upanishad says the supreme Self is to be apprehended  the suggestion is to be in the state of yoga, making the five senses, together  with mind cease from their normal – empirical – activities and the intellect  itself not stir –
  the suggestion is to be in the state of yoga, making the five senses, together  with mind cease from their normal – empirical – activities and the intellect  itself not stir –
 
        
 
        it  is the beginning of the  procedure which Yajnavalkya lays down in Brihad Aranyaka Up. to access  the Self within -  
Kena Up,  cautions that whatever is uttered as speech -  , what is thought by mind -
, what is thought by mind -  , what is seen by eyes -
, what is seen by eyes -  , what is heard by ears -
, what is heard by ears -  what is initiated by breath  -
 what is initiated by breath  -
 
         here is not the Self.
 here is not the Self.
 
It is other than the known and is above the  unknown –  .
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When Upanishad says the supreme Self is to  be apprehended  Yajnavalkya’s suggestion  that the Self is  to be searched within being receptive, reflective and meditative -
 Yajnavalkya’s suggestion  that the Self is  to be searched within being receptive, reflective and meditative -
 
 comes out as the step in furtherance of the  statement in Katha Up.  the state of yoga, making the five senses, together with mind cease from their  normal – empirical – activities and the intellect itself not stir –
 comes out as the step in furtherance of the  statement in Katha Up.  the state of yoga, making the five senses, together with mind cease from their  normal – empirical – activities and the intellect itself not stir –
 

The upanishdic statement  appears more elaborated in Zen Buddhism which keeps more emphasis on receptivity, where enlightenment does come as some  thing given by others but as some thing taken. Knowledge is a barrier between ignorance and enlightened Wisdom. Therefore Wisdom is being disconnected with all  that one has been taught, communicated as philosophy, as belief, as faith, as  religion with all the personalized and organizational structure which one has  been built to communicate, to organize, to crystallize to promote a belief and  a faith than a perception, experience of  , the Prime Existence expressed as philosophy.
, the Prime Existence expressed as philosophy. 
Mind is a clear mirror which has gathered dust. There is nothing wrong with the mirror, it is the dust on the mirror that distorts the view. In the language of Zen Buddhishsm, ‘The mirror is thoroughly egoless and mindless… There is no discriminating mind or self consciousness on the part of the mirror. If something comes, the mirror reflects; if it disappears the mirror just lets it disappear’. ‘The Tao is something blurred and indistinct. How indistinct ! How blurred ! Yet within it are images . . . things . . . mental power. Because this power is the most true within it there is confidence’.
No  mirror is dusty or clean. Diversity and distinctions are product of the I-sense. It is the dust that makes it  appear dirty. If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be  polished.The mirror whose face is  dirty needs to be cleansed. Only when cleansed will the mirror become thoroughly egoless reflect in  its own purity and clarity. Nothingness  of dust is the state of Yoga referred  by Kath Up. -
         .Francis Bacon said that ‘Philosophy  directs us first to seek the good of the mind, and the rest will either be  supplied or not much wanted’.
.Francis Bacon said that ‘Philosophy  directs us first to seek the good of the mind, and the rest will either be  supplied or not much wanted’. 
Philosophy in its true sense is the love for enlightened Wisdom. Knowledge is comparable with other knowledge; it is Wisdom which is distinctive and unique. One can know only that which is known by others earlier. It will be seen from whatever philosophies one read much of what is written therein has already been written by some others as well, same thing repeated again and again, only the words, terms, definitions and phrases changing with people, places and periods. A lay seeker as well as an adept responds the same manner when he encounters the old texts, what has been said therein having been experienced faintly and inconclusively some earlier moment in Time some where earlier place. Even a great seer like Ramana Maharshi when he glanced through some of the scriptures handed over to me said to himself ‘ … as I listened to the Ribhu Gita and other sacred books, I learnt all this and found that they were analyzing and naming what I had felt intuitively without analyzing and naming’.
Unique means incomparable existence beyond  knowing and Knowledge. Wisdom alone is unique.  , the Prime Existence alone is incomparable  since there was nothing else that can be compared or known except as Wisdom, which neither non-Existence nor Existence IS –
, the Prime Existence alone is incomparable  since there was nothing else that can be compared or known except as Wisdom, which neither non-Existence nor Existence IS –
 
         therefore enlightened awareness of that alone  as Wisdom is  Unique. No one is aware of what
 therefore enlightened awareness of that alone  as Wisdom is  Unique. No one is aware of what  , the Prime Existence as something as known, as something taught, as some thing communicated as philosophy, as  belief, as faith, as religion  all ideas,  opinions, concepts and conclusion being fixed as dead and not as living,  moving, energetic and volatile. Because
, the Prime Existence as something as known, as something taught, as some thing communicated as philosophy, as  belief, as faith, as religion  all ideas,  opinions, concepts and conclusion being fixed as dead and not as living,  moving, energetic and volatile. Because  , the  Prime Existence existed even before mind, thinking, ideas, opinions and  concepts came to exist. Thinking, ideas, opinions and concepts were not  original but come as screens, the reflections one finds in mind.
, the  Prime Existence existed even before mind, thinking, ideas, opinions and  concepts came to exist. Thinking, ideas, opinions and concepts were not  original but come as screens, the reflections one finds in mind. 
Philosophy  is consequential and not original. Therefore philosophy does not reveal  , the Prime  Existence but is possible to reflect only ion a mind which is not as ideas,  opinions, concepts and thoughts.
, the Prime  Existence but is possible to reflect only ion a mind which is not as ideas,  opinions, concepts and thoughts.  , the Prime Existence  is pure, unhampered by any idea, opinion,  concept and thought therefore,
, the Prime Existence  is pure, unhampered by any idea, opinion,  concept and thought therefore,  , the Prime Existence is possible to be accessed only when the mind  is free of ideas, opinions, concepts and thoughts. MaitriUp. Points out
, the Prime Existence is possible to be accessed only when the mind  is free of ideas, opinions, concepts and thoughts. MaitriUp. Points out
         
 
Krishna’s attempt to communicate Arjuna did not  appear to have succeeded as when traditional anthropological and pictographic  description did not satisfy his curiosity desiring to see his resplendence –
 
         as if in aknowledgement of the upanishdic statement that not by much  speaking nor by much intelligence not even by much hearing but only when the  Self itself reveals its form  -
  as if in aknowledgement of the upanishdic statement that not by much  speaking nor by much intelligence not even by much hearing but only when the  Self itself reveals its form  - 
         
  the Prime Existence is no a theorem, an  idea proposed and accepted as true; liker love it is an experience to be  experienced. In mathematics and physics there are  theorems and theories. Spiritual  enlightenment is an experience and not a theory. Intekkect and intelligence are  only means and not the end. Krishna knows that neither words  can communicate the divine resplendence nor human empirical eyes can acvcess it  . Therefore Krishna offers him spiritual eye saying –
 the Prime Existence is no a theorem, an  idea proposed and accepted as true; liker love it is an experience to be  experienced. In mathematics and physics there are  theorems and theories. Spiritual  enlightenment is an experience and not a theory. Intekkect and intelligence are  only means and not the end. Krishna knows that neither words  can communicate the divine resplendence nor human empirical eyes can acvcess it  . Therefore Krishna offers him spiritual eye saying –
Sanskrit is a very  meticulous language. The words used normally and especially in scriptures  contain many mystical truths. Maitri Up points out that there two forms of Brahman,  - the spoken one and the one beyond and  the one who knows the
- the spoken one and the one beyond and  the one who knows the  reaches the one  beyond. One becomes enlightened of
 reaches the one  beyond. One becomes enlightened of  , the Prime Existence, wherein everything is united as warp and woof and  wherefrom everything else emanates, as creation -
, the Prime Existence, wherein everything is united as warp and woof and  wherefrom everything else emanates, as creation -  
Brihad Aranyak Up. and Mundaka Up. describes the vedic scriptures and other subsidiary texts as clouds of smoke  issuing forth from That One as a lighted fire would issue forth  from damp fuel -
 
         not the  author of the hymns. They are known as
 not the  author of the hymns. They are known as  because  they were seen,
 because  they were seen,
 
         because they were heard  reveled and  experienced through mediation and action -
 because they were heard  reveled and  experienced through mediation and action -  by different seers, during different  periods, in different places and expressed in mystical language without human  effort. They  are known as
 by different seers, during different  periods, in different places and expressed in mystical language without human  effort. They  are known as  because they conceal –
  because they conceal –  Therefore ‘seeing’ it is not seen, hearing it is not heard. But for another  one, it reveals its noble form, as a loving wife would reveal her form to her  husband -
 Therefore ‘seeing’ it is not seen, hearing it is not heard. But for another  one, it reveals its noble form, as a loving wife would reveal her form to her  husband -
 
         
 
        It is said further,
When  it was desired that objects be assigned with names, Vak came to be sent as the earliest of all utterances, through Braihaspati, the first and the foremost. Vak the Speech, which was best and  stainless, was revealed, along with its divine mystery -
         Then they separated and classified –
 Then they separated and classified –  It came to be classified in four  groups, all of which the men of Wisdom are aware of. In the first three groups are hidden the mystical secrets and men  speak only in the fourth classification –
 It came to be classified in four  groups, all of which the men of Wisdom are aware of. In the first three groups are hidden the mystical secrets and men  speak only in the fourth classification –
 
         For the human beings
 For the human beings  derived from
 derived from  with the proposition
with the proposition  and
 and  became
  became and
 and   for
 for
 
         Through words, terms and figures used by Seers,  one substratum of all that is communicated is maintained by them,somegiving voice to rich, subtle and profound while others may in language  which is ordinary and conventional in sense providing  ‘. . . the same firm foundation of  knowledge and the same scrupulous adherence to the sacred conventions of the  Initiates” as pointed out by Sri Aurobindo.
 Through words, terms and figures used by Seers,  one substratum of all that is communicated is maintained by them,somegiving voice to rich, subtle and profound while others may in language  which is ordinary and conventional in sense providing  ‘. . . the same firm foundation of  knowledge and the same scrupulous adherence to the sacred conventions of the  Initiates” as pointed out by Sri Aurobindo. 
 is pure existence, silent in existence as
 is pure existence, silent in existence as  the  Prime Existence. It is state of Silence which the master of the meditation experiences. Patanjala Yoga refers it as
 the  Prime Existence. It is state of Silence which the master of the meditation experiences. Patanjala Yoga refers it as  - When the agitations of the mind are under control,  the mind becomes like a transparent crystal and has the power of becoming  whatever form is presented. knower, act of knowing, or what is known and
 - When the agitations of the mind are under control,  the mind becomes like a transparent crystal and has the power of becoming  whatever form is presented. knower, act of knowing, or what is known and  The subtle terminates having no distinguishing mark. As thoughts become rare and subtle, the mind subsides and  eventually ceasing all association with thoughts –
   The subtle terminates having no distinguishing mark. As thoughts become rare and subtle, the mind subsides and  eventually ceasing all association with thoughts –  is the most subtle  objectification state, but it is not yet devoid of subtlety. It is not yet the  state of Samadhi, where there exist  no objects of thought. Consciousness without thoughts is Samadhi. Consciousness is what exists as potential and not as  actual. Consciousness is the seed which becomes the plant and feels the breeze  which was also the product of the same seed. Consciousness is the formless  unconditioned nature beyond the memory of thoughts which approximates emptiness  of mind but not the emptiness or nothingness but one which does not have any  identification or distinguishing mark. Nothing comes in the grasp of  the intellect in this Samadhi, it is felt as Consciousness alone which is experienced as the static formless non-dual. Pleasure or pain,  righteousness or non-righteousness, merit or demerit, virtue or vice that  are pair of opposites and duality reflection -all becomes meaningless. In this  state  the conscious mind is fixed on the inner experience, mind,  self-sense getting eliminated.   Nothing  is experienced all reality getting eliminated, with  no thought and no experience.
 is the most subtle  objectification state, but it is not yet devoid of subtlety. It is not yet the  state of Samadhi, where there exist  no objects of thought. Consciousness without thoughts is Samadhi. Consciousness is what exists as potential and not as  actual. Consciousness is the seed which becomes the plant and feels the breeze  which was also the product of the same seed. Consciousness is the formless  unconditioned nature beyond the memory of thoughts which approximates emptiness  of mind but not the emptiness or nothingness but one which does not have any  identification or distinguishing mark. Nothing comes in the grasp of  the intellect in this Samadhi, it is felt as Consciousness alone which is experienced as the static formless non-dual. Pleasure or pain,  righteousness or non-righteousness, merit or demerit, virtue or vice that  are pair of opposites and duality reflection -all becomes meaningless. In this  state  the conscious mind is fixed on the inner experience, mind,  self-sense getting eliminated.   Nothing  is experienced all reality getting eliminated, with  no thought and no experience. 
The Prime Existence was there before Existence came to be created. Existence therefore, it is known as  the Prime  Existence. What is created also comes to destruction.
 the Prime  Existence. What is created also comes to destruction.  is eternal essence it is not born with the form,
 is eternal essence it is not born with the form,  nor does it cease  with forms
  nor does it cease  with forms  . Yama communicates  to Nachiketa
. Yama communicates  to Nachiketa  which was spoken in vedic scriptures, which austerities declares and desiring which those who live intent  of Brahman.
 which was spoken in vedic scriptures, which austerities declares and desiring which those who live intent  of Brahman.   the Silent sound  –
 the Silent sound  –  was not born nor does it die. Sound can be created but  not the Silence. Silence was there before Vak could be vocal. Its essence is
 was not born nor does it die. Sound can be created but  not the Silence. Silence was there before Vak could be vocal. Its essence is  the Prime  Existence its form is the Word. Vak comes and goes but Silence  continues.
 the Prime  Existence its form is the Word. Vak comes and goes but Silence  continues.  is the foundation language is the mansion built  thereon.
 is the foundation language is the mansion built  thereon.
Thinking  is stimulating the Sound, the Vak.  Meditation is soothing the sound of the thoughts. Therefore, meditation begins  with  the Silent sound –
 the Silent sound –  ,  not with
,  not with  , speech.
, speech.  means one  which is stationary not mobile, some thing which is not born, some thing like unspoken  sound, which becomes spoken sound when there is impulse, movement a flow. Bodhidharma described Zen as: ‘Not  reliant on the written word. A special transmission separate from the  scriptures; Direct pointing at one's mind, Seeing one's nature, becoming a  Buddha’. ‘The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao; The name that can be  named is not the eternal name’. The least movement is of  importance to all nature. The entire ocean is affected by a pebble says Blaise  Pascal.
 means one  which is stationary not mobile, some thing which is not born, some thing like unspoken  sound, which becomes spoken sound when there is impulse, movement a flow. Bodhidharma described Zen as: ‘Not  reliant on the written word. A special transmission separate from the  scriptures; Direct pointing at one's mind, Seeing one's nature, becoming a  Buddha’. ‘The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao; The name that can be  named is not the eternal name’. The least movement is of  importance to all nature. The entire ocean is affected by a pebble says Blaise  Pascal.  
An  empirical mind thinks on the basis what he already knows. He will hear the same  sounds reverberating in mind again and again, even as the same forms flash on  his mind. The meditative mind does not think, all thoughts having been removed  from mind, being receptive to Silent sound –  and not to
  and not to  speech the spoken word. Meditation begins when mind  is made silent emptied of the Knowledge one knows. When one is in empirical  state one hears only that which is heard, all the spoken words. The sensitive seers ‘saw’ therefore are called
 speech the spoken word. Meditation begins when mind  is made silent emptied of the Knowledge one knows. When one is in empirical  state one hears only that which is heard, all the spoken words. The sensitive seers ‘saw’ therefore are called  and  ‘heard’ therefore  hymns are called as
 and  ‘heard’ therefore  hymns are called as  
 
Therefore Yajnavalkya says
 
         means seeing as one would see an amalakaa fruit on the palm of his hand.
 means seeing as one would see an amalakaa fruit on the palm of his hand.  means listening receptively not hearing sounds  mechanically. Listening is hearing the silent sound –
 means listening receptively not hearing sounds  mechanically. Listening is hearing the silent sound –  with mind, not cluttered with thinking, ideas,  opinions and concepts thoughts, opinions and views all that one has been  taught, communicated as philosophy, as belief, as faith, as religion. When mind  is silent then it becomes receptive listening the unspoken words and  unheard  silent sound –
 with mind, not cluttered with thinking, ideas,  opinions and concepts thoughts, opinions and views all that one has been  taught, communicated as philosophy, as belief, as faith, as religion. When mind  is silent then it becomes receptive listening the unspoken words and  unheard  silent sound –  is the greate refuge for seekers of
 is the greate refuge for seekers of  the Prime  Existence.
 the Prime  Existence.
   is being  receptive to the unspoken words and unheard   silent sound –
 is being  receptive to the unspoken words and unheard   silent sound –  . This is what Aruni seeing his son Shevtaketu becoming proud of being learned in vedic wisdom, asked him whether he has received instruction by which unherable  becomes heard, the unperceivable becomes perceived, and the unknowable becomes  known-
. This is what Aruni seeing his son Shevtaketu becoming proud of being learned in vedic wisdom, asked him whether he has received instruction by which unherable  becomes heard, the unperceivable becomes perceived, and the unknowable becomes  known-  then seeing that he has not impart the same  enjoining him during the course of instruction to become receptive to what he  is communicating –
 then seeing that he has not impart the same  enjoining him during the course of instruction to become receptive to what he  is communicating –  
 
Shankara says that although a meaning of the  mystical truths could be arrived through scriptures, logic and rational  reasoning still in the absence of unhindered receptive mind it is very  difficult for a mind influenced by sensory organs to comprehensively assimilate  the mystical meanings. When mind is  receptive it becomes firmly established on the subject matter to be reflected  and meditated –
         Therefore, Svetaketu needs to be receptive -
 Therefore, Svetaketu needs to be receptive -  . Shankara explains
. Shankara explains  which normally people use as faith or belief having  understood the word erroneously.
 which normally people use as faith or belief having  understood the word erroneously.  is acceptance  having enlightened receptivity that the gross world pf perception possessed of
 is acceptance  having enlightened receptivity that the gross world pf perception possessed of  and
 and  is born from the subtle Existence though  through logic and scriptural statements the  meaning is arrived, in the absence of complete receptivity it is very difficult  for mind, which is engrossed on material things influenced by senses  and impelled by natural inclinations to  comprehend the subtle things. Word does not give Wisdom it provides only  Knowledge as the intermediate medium. Therefore, through Knowledge howsoever  gathered and remembered does not give one access to
 is born from the subtle Existence though  through logic and scriptural statements the  meaning is arrived, in the absence of complete receptivity it is very difficult  for mind, which is engrossed on material things influenced by senses  and impelled by natural inclinations to  comprehend the subtle things. Word does not give Wisdom it provides only  Knowledge as the intermediate medium. Therefore, through Knowledge howsoever  gathered and remembered does not give one access to  the Prime  Existence, even as the knowledge of the formule and constituents of Water would not quench one’s thirst for water.  It is easier to gather Knowledge which is  nothing but information gathered, but difficult to be wise in Wisdom.  Shankara enjoins Eawa, because where one is receptive his mind becomes  concentrated on the things to be understood and comprehension becomes easy.  This he says becomes clear from statements like ‘my mind was elsewhere’ –
 the Prime  Existence, even as the knowledge of the formule and constituents of Water would not quench one’s thirst for water.  It is easier to gather Knowledge which is  nothing but information gathered, but difficult to be wise in Wisdom.  Shankara enjoins Eawa, because where one is receptive his mind becomes  concentrated on the things to be understood and comprehension becomes easy.  This he says becomes clear from statements like ‘my mind was elsewhere’ –
 
        
A seed is no more than a flower in  disguise. A seed can not determine how it would  unfold. It is only receptive to the divine energy within to shape the  unfolding. It is only when mind that  becomes unconditionally receptive to the unspoken words and unheard silent  sound –  that it listens what the word
  that it listens what the word  suggests making mind  capable of meditation.
 suggests making mind  capable of meditation.  is meditation.   A  mind that meditates is concerned only with meditation and not with the  meditator or not concerned with reaching out, gaining, achieving, experiencing.  Meditation is difficult which can neither be taught nor learnt. It has no  technique and therefore no authority. It is being one own self. Zen  masters described it  variously as ‘Sitting quietly, doping  nothing, spring comes and thee grass grows by itself’, ‘You cannot get it by taking thought; you  cannot seek it by not taking thought’. ‘At  one strike I forgot all my knowledge ! There is no use for artificial  discipline, for, move as I will, I manifest the ancient Way’.
 is meditation.   A  mind that meditates is concerned only with meditation and not with the  meditator or not concerned with reaching out, gaining, achieving, experiencing.  Meditation is difficult which can neither be taught nor learnt. It has no  technique and therefore no authority. It is being one own self. Zen  masters described it  variously as ‘Sitting quietly, doping  nothing, spring comes and thee grass grows by itself’, ‘You cannot get it by taking thought; you  cannot seek it by not taking thought’. ‘At  one strike I forgot all my knowledge ! There is no use for artificial  discipline, for, move as I will, I manifest the ancient Way’. 
Mediation begins even as one observes intently a dry leaf fall from tree being tossed by the breeze hither and thither till it comes to rest gently on the ground below. It is observing and watching similarly oneself as one lifts one’s legs as one walks, watching how the first foot follows the foot that was placed earlier. Observe oneself as one eats, when one gossips, is jealous, hates, being aware of all that as you yourself, without any choice, without preference without judgment and one will realize oneself going in meditative mood.. What does one get from such meditation. Perhaps nothing and if one gets some thing that would be that which one desired conceptualizing as something thought based from Knowledge of what one earlier had knowledge.
When Enlightenment comes like lightening all of sudden and not slowly then you becomes aware of all that is in a moment, in a fraction as lightening all become clearly seen in that very moment and not in stages. Nature abhors a vacuum, even if one exists without speaking one is sufficiently filled silence. Enlightenment is an infinite of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere. Every one becomes enlightened every moment of one’s life. But one is not be able to recognize when enlightenment comes because it is not an empirical experience, the product of an empirical mind. In enlightenment all dualities are dropped, nothing high or low, nothing good or bad, nothing auspicious or inauspicious all become one because existence is one, all joined and all united. Zen masters described it variously as ‘Fire does not wait for the Sun to be hot; nor the wind for the Moon to be cool’, ‘The blue mountains are of themselves blue mountains; The white clouds are of themselves white clouds’, ‘In the landscape of the spring there is neither high nor low; The flowering branches grow naturally , some long and some short’, ‘When the name is uttered neither Buddha nor the self. There is The Voice alone is heard’.
It  is beyond the grasp of core nature essence or conscious mind state of  nature essence. One can say that inner God essence is trying to visualize  himself by himself. Such is the glimpse like vision. It is then that having a  glimpse like feeling; of the visions of God essence becomes meaningless. Even  search for supreme spiritual knowledge becomes meaningless. It is the state  which Brihad Aranya Up. describes  that as the highest goal, highest treasure, highest world, greatest bliss, on a  particle of which all creatures live –
 
         This state is said  to be
 This state is said  to be  That,  indeed, is the state which Aruni exhorted  his son when he said
 That,  indeed, is the state which Aruni exhorted  his son when he said  being receptive to what  one is  through
 being receptive to what  one is  through  seeing,
 seeing,  listening,
 listening,   reflecting
 reflecting  culminating  in being
 culminating  in being 
      

 Nagesh Sonde
Nagesh Sonde 

